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aragarnaOH MY FREAKING GOD! I was nervous before, I was borderlining a heart attack during, and left a wreck after... And I've never been so happy we don't have a real break this year, because I don't think I could have survived an entire hiatus after this! WOW talk about a roller coster.
So many things happened in that episode that by the end, we almost forgot the beginning. Almost.
(I thought Matt was supposed to loose weight... Obviously he waited....) We've been waiting for this the whole season (even Peter took it off quicker!), but that was worth the wait, isn't it?
I have to say, it's going to pain me if Rebecca turns out to be evil. She can be very cute (I loved her "there you are" when she put her glasses on). But I find her eagerness to jump into a life of crime a little suspicious. It's a little more than simple enthusiasm... Wouldn't normal people be a little scared that not only they're sleeping with a convicted felon but that even more, he has obviously not retire? And he says it's dangerous and she's not scared?
I do understand that she feels used now that Neal got what he wanted, and I actually like this aspect of their relationship. But really, I don't get Rebecca.
The gold coin case! Finally! I was wondering when this would come back and was wondering if they didn't forget about it. But no, Peter was just patient (which, hmm... reminded me of a certain art manifest...). And god, was Peter sneaky! :-)
Don't you love how he determined that it was indeed the red tulip sign? (Neal should know, by the way, Peter knows his bluff, he did the same with that red head guy). And asking Jones to call! Heee yes, Peter can be just as devious as Neal! Neal's face when he sees Dekker being brought him only the next day....
- Jones!!! "Everytime I'm glad it's you, not me" LOOOOL
So many things happened in that episode that by the end, we almost forgot the beginning. Almost.
(I thought Matt was supposed to loose weight... Obviously he waited....) We've been waiting for this the whole season (even Peter took it off quicker!), but that was worth the wait, isn't it?
I have to say, it's going to pain me if Rebecca turns out to be evil. She can be very cute (I loved her "there you are" when she put her glasses on). But I find her eagerness to jump into a life of crime a little suspicious. It's a little more than simple enthusiasm... Wouldn't normal people be a little scared that not only they're sleeping with a convicted felon but that even more, he has obviously not retire? And he says it's dangerous and she's not scared?
I do understand that she feels used now that Neal got what he wanted, and I actually like this aspect of their relationship. But really, I don't get Rebecca.
The gold coin case! Finally! I was wondering when this would come back and was wondering if they didn't forget about it. But no, Peter was just patient (which, hmm... reminded me of a certain art manifest...). And god, was Peter sneaky! :-)
Don't you love how he determined that it was indeed the red tulip sign? (Neal should know, by the way, Peter knows his bluff, he did the same with that red head guy). And asking Jones to call! Heee yes, Peter can be just as devious as Neal! Neal's face when he sees Dekker being brought him only the next day....
(My apologize to all the Neal fans, I think my bias for Peter is the more evident when Peter outsmarts Neal. Can't really tell why, but that always makes me smile "that's my Peter". I prefer smart!Peter to smart!Neal. Maybe because we always expect Neal to be smart. Otherwise, I usually try not to take side....)
But of course, that little squee over sneaking Peter didn't hold long... Wow that confession scene was sooo intense! It hurts so much! everyone, Neal, Peter, us!
Neal cornered, having to tell the truth, and hurt a little more that Peter doesn't think it *was* the right thing (though he probably knew it, even if he had hope, otherwise he wouldn't have hidden it all for so long). And Peter, facing that one thing he feared the most: having to arrest Neal...
I have made a long post about what I think of Peter, and how I think Peter sees the world and his own system of values. I'm not going to repeat it all here. (It has been a very interesting discussion, by the way, thank you all who joined. :-) )
Now, I have to admit something. Some have argued that Peter is already compromised anyway (which I believe he doesn't see that way). Anyway, you know what actually shows that Peter *is* compromised? That he can't arrest a criminal because it hurts and he cares too much... Neal confessed to a Federal Agent stealing gold and bribing a judge, that was enough to arrest Neal. And Peter didn't...
No matter how mad he can be at Neal, Peter has never risked going on record (since at least season 3) with any of his suspicions in case it could harm Neal.
Of course, I'm not saying Peter should have arrested Neal, but the fact he didn't says a lot about the fact that despite his harsh words, he still cares for Neal. And he even trusts that Neal would not run.
And above it all, there's the fact that Peter now feels like a fraud, that he should even arrest himself and he doesn't see any way out.
That scene with Elizabeth was heartbreaking.... I wish we had the follow-up of it.
I'm also glad that El admitted it might be her fault, and that she does think Neal did the right thing.
And Matt and Tim... It'd be so much easier if they weren't so good! Words are almost superfuous, it's already all on their faces.
There was so much to love in that episode.
This whole storyline was good. The episode was good. Yes, it's difficult to watch, and it would have been an easier road to have made it easy and all bromancy. Except it would have compromised Peter as a character. I've seen this in too many shows and I'm glad we've been there. I love the show the best when it's testing the limits of its own concept. When it's challenging its characters. And I do think it's rather fair to all of them.
Now, it's time to heal the wounds. I still want me some good bromance before the end of the season!
Okay, enough angst, more random squee.
- I loved the repairman who flirted with Rebecca!
- everyone seems to enjoy a good fresh baguette in that show!
But of course, that little squee over sneaking Peter didn't hold long... Wow that confession scene was sooo intense! It hurts so much! everyone, Neal, Peter, us!
Neal cornered, having to tell the truth, and hurt a little more that Peter doesn't think it *was* the right thing (though he probably knew it, even if he had hope, otherwise he wouldn't have hidden it all for so long). And Peter, facing that one thing he feared the most: having to arrest Neal...
I have made a long post about what I think of Peter, and how I think Peter sees the world and his own system of values. I'm not going to repeat it all here. (It has been a very interesting discussion, by the way, thank you all who joined. :-) )
Now, I have to admit something. Some have argued that Peter is already compromised anyway (which I believe he doesn't see that way). Anyway, you know what actually shows that Peter *is* compromised? That he can't arrest a criminal because it hurts and he cares too much... Neal confessed to a Federal Agent stealing gold and bribing a judge, that was enough to arrest Neal. And Peter didn't...
No matter how mad he can be at Neal, Peter has never risked going on record (since at least season 3) with any of his suspicions in case it could harm Neal.
Of course, I'm not saying Peter should have arrested Neal, but the fact he didn't says a lot about the fact that despite his harsh words, he still cares for Neal. And he even trusts that Neal would not run.
And above it all, there's the fact that Peter now feels like a fraud, that he should even arrest himself and he doesn't see any way out.
That scene with Elizabeth was heartbreaking.... I wish we had the follow-up of it.
I'm also glad that El admitted it might be her fault, and that she does think Neal did the right thing.
And Matt and Tim... It'd be so much easier if they weren't so good! Words are almost superfuous, it's already all on their faces.
There was so much to love in that episode.
This whole storyline was good. The episode was good. Yes, it's difficult to watch, and it would have been an easier road to have made it easy and all bromancy. Except it would have compromised Peter as a character. I've seen this in too many shows and I'm glad we've been there. I love the show the best when it's testing the limits of its own concept. When it's challenging its characters. And I do think it's rather fair to all of them.
Now, it's time to heal the wounds. I still want me some good bromance before the end of the season!
Okay, enough angst, more random squee.
- I loved the repairman who flirted with Rebecca!
- everyone seems to enjoy a good fresh baguette in that show!
- Jones!!! "Everytime I'm glad it's you, not me" LOOOOL
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Date: 2013-12-22 08:39 pm (UTC)Peter has been ill served by them both, despite their good motivations they have wounded the very heart of what makes Peter the man he is, or should I say was?
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Date: 2013-12-22 09:00 pm (UTC)But I don't think Peter is compromised beyond repair. He doesn't approve his own action, but he did it for El and Neal.
And it's not because he was forced to do it, that it changes who he is, deep down. He will make sure this never happens again.
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Date: 2013-12-22 09:06 pm (UTC)Jones' comment about being glad it's not him made me lol too! And yes, a lot to squee about even in the midst of the pain and angst and hurt (and for an angst-lover like me, a lot to squee about because of it - yes, I'm a bad, bad, fangirly *bg*). Love El's talk with Peter too. I do feel sorry for Peter, as he feels that he compromised and he isn't happy about it *hugs him*
Rebecca - until this episode I wasn't particularly swayed by the idea that she might be playing Neal (didn't discount it, but hadn't really seen it in canon). Now, I don't know. Her actions could be genuine, but all through this ep I got that 'suspicious' feeling about her creeping in. I think, at this point, she could be played either way - as a genuine love interest who perhaps is so in love with the adventure and excitement that she doesn't see/care about the danger, or the lover who's using him to get what she wants. I guess we'll see! I hope it's the former, as she is rather sweet. Though maybe too sweet to last long in Neal's world, no matter how much he wants to protect her from it? Hmm.
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Date: 2013-12-22 10:21 pm (UTC)But now that Neal has been telling her the truth, it's different. I don't know where the show intends to go, but I feel like it would be interesting to see the implications for Neal the criminal of his relationship with an innocent and honest person. I think in term of character growth, it would be more interesting if she was innocent rather than yet another person betraying Neal.
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Date: 2013-12-22 09:11 pm (UTC)I know that there are many people out there who despise Peter Burke right now, I am not despising him. I'm hurting for the both of them and want to hug them and tell them that everything will be fine again soon.
I'm just ... sad. Sad, because Peter said that one line at the end, he could have spared it. "Shame on me for expecting anything else." That was soooooo not neccessary! Neal was already hurt enough because Peter didn't accept that Neal did it for his friend and not for any other reason.
But Peter had to add the criminal and this hurtfull line. Got my eyes wet :((.
I understand that he is disappointed in Neal but can't he sit down and talk to Neal about everything, now that he knows that El had asked Neal to do anything he could to free Peter?
Neal looked so broken, and yes, Peter too.
But I have scenes to squee about as well: Peter and Mozzie - Great
Neal and Rebecca in bed - Awesome
Peter and El - Finally
Peter and Neal and the confession - Awesome Matt and awesome Tim. I love those two so much, they are in a zone when they play Peter & Neal, it's really fantastic to watch them interacting with each other.
Like many others I am not sure about Rebecca and think she is going to hurt Neal a big deal because it sure seems that she knew about Neal even before they met. I think she was set up to show him the Mosconi book in the museum.
It's really a sign of Neal having forgotten how to read people, so he sure isn't the great con man anymore because he should have had figured Rebecca out by now - or he is too much in love to see. Poor Neal, will probably get to know soon who she really is.
Next ep in 3 weeks, meh, can't wait.
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Date: 2013-12-22 10:27 pm (UTC)Neal didn't mention Hagen. He only talked about the gold he stole to bribe the judge, so Peter only knows that for no other reason than not trusting the system (or a fair jugdge), Neal took on himself to bribe him.
That's why Peter said "you couldn't help yourself".
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Date: 2013-12-22 11:19 pm (UTC)Yes, I really have to consider what Peter knows and what we know. What Veleda said is true, I'm sorry to have been sad about that last scene.
In fact, I'm glad you pointed that out to me, because now it's more logic for me. Neal even said that Peter never should know about Hagen. I can't even imagine his reaction if he ever finds out.
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Date: 2013-12-22 11:23 pm (UTC)You don't need to apologize, I'm just glad it helped you give the scene more sense. :-)
It's still heartbreaking for both our guys.
And I'm actually scared of what Peter will think of Hagen... And Siegel...
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Date: 2013-12-22 09:33 pm (UTC)This: And Matt and Tim... It'd be so much easier if they weren't so good! Words are almost superfuous, it's already all on their faces.
Both of their faces at the end. God. Those sad looks they do just kill me. I want to hug them. I feel so bad for both of them. Like Peter said there is nothing right about the whole situation.
Forgot to add I loved the talk between Peter and Elizabeth.
And Rebecca is definitely up to something. She has her own agenda. I mean flipping up the page on Neal's sketchbook, even Peter doesn't do that!
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Date: 2013-12-22 10:29 pm (UTC)And lol about Rebecca. I thought the same thing about the sketchbook! Even Peter has more boundaries!
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Date: 2013-12-22 10:44 pm (UTC)Poor everybody. :( I just want them all to find some way to be happy again! At the same time, I'm very glad that the show is going ahead and pushing the consequences of their actions to their (tragic) conclusion. I don't want them to just slap a bandage on the damage; I really want to see it dealt with, and so far, the show is doing a good job of that.
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Date: 2013-12-22 11:20 pm (UTC)I really like that they're exploring the moral dilemna, what it does to the characters and all. I've been really disappointed in the past by shows like NCIS or The Mentalist which created situation where the main character would do something questionable (like... a murder) and when everyone learns about it, everyone's cool. So I was really hoping WC wouldn't sweep that particular point under the rug, and they didn't.
And like you said in another post, they also remained fair to both characters. They both have valid points, and there's no easy answer.
And seriously, I have no idea where we're going from here! This season has been really intense. It might have had some flaws, and I understand that some don't like it, but this might have been the less predictable of all seasons.
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Date: 2013-12-22 11:26 pm (UTC)Peter & Neal are amazing on screen together.
I knew Peter was bluffing about talking to Diana about Teddy Winters. He is too nice a guy to follow thru on that threat.
I love that Neal had to resort to using Estelle to get a hold of Mozzie. ; )
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Date: 2013-12-23 08:31 am (UTC)I think it was more of a "you owe me one for the Teddy Winters case" than a real threat.
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Date: 2013-12-23 02:45 pm (UTC)Wooo! I am so excited someone brought up Jones' "Everytime, I'm glad it's you, not me" comment. That is most DEFINITELY one of my favorite comments from Jones throughout the entire show. While we are on Jones - I loved how throughout the episode he seemed to have faith in Neal and was on his side trying to convince Peter to give Neal the benefit of the doubt- "Maybe he's just picking up some groceries", and after he called Peter at 7:30 to tell him there was no news on Dekkar, he definitely picked up on what Peter was doing. I love the dynamic he brings to the show so much.
*End Jones squee*
One more random addition - Mozzie's face when he approaches Neal as he is acrobatically landing with the stained glass window in the church was PRICELESS. White Collar has a way of taking excellent episodes and making them somehow even better with their little nuances, and this episode was full of them!
I agree with you on being a little pained if "Rare Books Becca" turns out to be playing Neal. I totally agree with all everyone is saying about her seeming just a tad too eager to jump into this life of crime, but I think she can be cute at times too. I loved her distraction so Moz and Neal had the window they needed to still the stained glass.
The boys acting in this episode was unparalleled, very much agreed!
And indeed it was great to see Peter outsmart Neal - after a whole half season of Neal seemingly outsmarting Peter it finally came back around and showed that Peter has tricks up his sleeve too. But I was glad he didn't arrest Neal... I don't know if I could have handled that. Hah.
Great thoughts! Thanks for sharing! =)
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Date: 2013-12-23 03:57 pm (UTC)Agree with everything. :-)